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B.C. survivors of NXIVM cult launch podcast about experience

The Vancouver-based couple wants to help people avoid destructive cults through their story
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Anthony Nippy Ames and Sarah Edmondson producing their new podcast, 91裸聊视频淎 Little Bit Culty91裸聊视频 (Submitted)

Two survivors of a cult which got worldwide attention in recent years have started a podcast called A Little Bit Culty, hoping to help other people learn from their experience.

Vancouver couple Sarah Edmondson and Anthony 91裸聊视频淣ippy91裸聊视频 Ames were members of NXIVM, which from the fringes seemed like a personal development program. It had leadership training, mentoring opportunities and a very charismatic leader.

It took them 12 years to hit a breaking point, when Edmondson was branded with what they later learned was the initials of that charismatic leader Keith Raniere. That incident brought all their doubts and questions to a head, and they left the cult in 2017.

NXIVM founder Keith Raniere was sentenced by a New York federal court in October 2020 to 120 years in jail for racketeering, sex trafficking and more. Several members of his inner circle were also convicted.

Edmondson and Ames told Black Press Media they didn91裸聊视频檛 know any of the criminal abuse that was going on at the top; they thought NXIVM was a personal development program, albeit with some admittedly unconventional methods. It91裸聊视频檚 since been called a sex-cult.

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Their podcast is grounded in what they91裸聊视频檝e learned since leaving the cult through the help of therapists who have put a language to what happened. Some episodes will feature experts, others will interview survivors and some delve into the curriculum of NXIVM91裸聊视频檚 Executive Success Programs to examine what teachings drew them in and where things got 91裸聊视频渃ulty.91裸聊视频

The pair, now parents of two, have spent years 91裸聊视频渄e-programming91裸聊视频 their minds, and processing various reactions of shame, embarrassment and rage.

91裸聊视频淟ike, what did I miss? How did I think I was doing something good but ended up being aligned with someone who was abusing so many people? That was a really difficult,91裸聊视频 Ames said.

While they didn91裸聊视频檛 know Raniere91裸聊视频檚 abusive side, they were close friends with some who did and lied about who Raniere was.

That deception is the first red flag Ames thinks of when he91裸聊视频檚 asked how to identify a destructive cult.

Not all cults are destructive, but many are designed to abuse power.

91裸聊视频淭hat was the joke, we were like, yeah we91裸聊视频檙e in a cult, but were helping people. We were aware of the weird stuff, and we just thought it was funny and ridiculous. We didn91裸聊视频檛 know that the people closest to Keith were getting abused in the way they were,91裸聊视频 Ames said.

Their split with NXIVM came gradually. Ames felt the mission to bring joy to the world wasn91裸聊视频檛 working. Morale was low, and the monthly training sessions weren91裸聊视频檛 having the same reach.

The decision to leave culminated in a ceremony where Edmondson and other recruits to a secret sisterhood were branded with Raniere91裸聊视频檚 initials. They didn91裸聊视频檛 know it was his initials, or that it would be a brand instead of a type of bonding tattoo.

91裸聊视频淭here is no word to describe my rage,91裸聊视频 she said.

Since coming forward about being in NXIVM, the couple were interviewed on The Vow, an HBO documentary about the cult, and were involved in court cases that got Raniere and other top leaders behind bars.

They receive inquiries almost daily from people who think they may be in a cult. Some key indicators, the couple said, include if a person can leave the group without being harassed or hurt, if they can question the leader and their transparency.

To anyone concerned about a loved one who might be in a destructive cult, they say to approach with respect, curiosity and lots of questions.

91裸聊视频淪ay, I91裸聊视频檝e seen these allegations, tell me about them. Like, how is that for you? What do you think about it? Is any of it true? What would you do if it was true? Stuff like that,91裸聊视频 Edmondson said.

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